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hello everyone welcome back to the

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disclosure team youtube channel it's

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good to see everybody here i see some of

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you in the live chat already so thank

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you so much for being here

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um so without further ado let's jump

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straight into it i'd like to welcome

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from the debrief amongst other things

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chrissy newton

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hi chris hey

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hi how are you i'm very well how are you

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today

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i'm great good to be here good thank you

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so much for joining me thank you so much

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it means a lot

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so

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i thought we'd just you know see how the

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conversation goes i've got a few

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pointers but you know i like to just

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have proper discussions rather than like

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question answer question answer so

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you know let's just go from there but

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first of all

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just tell us a bit about yourself and

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your past and how you got into ufos and

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yeah yeah oh gosh

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we go on forever or that

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no well

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um so i as some people know i work at

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the debrief i am the director of media

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so i do their public relations uh and

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also run youtube pitch with them myself

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and christine are on there and we're

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throwing at our content as we speak with

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other contributors as well

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uh i am also

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again a content creator with them and

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how i got into ufos was because of my

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bad though

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he doesn't even really still talk about

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it even now he knows i'm doing this

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stuff and he's like i don't ever want to

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go on camera and i'm like you don't have

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fine and and i appreciate that immensely

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but he showed me that and then he

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educated me a lot about ufos from like

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you know even stuff like what was

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happening in world war ii and things he

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was reading from mix of like different

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authors to um

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got to watching programs to reading

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multiple different books like talking to

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different people so as i started getting

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older i obviously we it was something

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that we would do together but i also

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like loved it and then when i think i

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was in my early 20s i said it must have

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been i think i was around 25 maybe a

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little bit younger and i said to him do

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you want to go to ufo conference and we

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used to talk about going to conferences

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together and we're like we should do a

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family trip you know to like a ufo

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conference so my parents bought a place

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in arizona because they snowbird i live

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in toronto or my family lives in ontario

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and they they went out there and i just

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googled i was like you know what

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something inside of me was like just see

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where like ufo conferences so like i was

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visiting my parents and i like ran out

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and i was like dad i was like there's

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there's a ufo like conference in arizona

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and he's like what and i'm like yeah i'm

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like this is the address and he's like

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that's a half an hour from where we live

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he's like buy tickets now buy tickets

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now buy tickets now

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so uh we went to our first conference

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together and then we would go now the

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conference has changed to a different

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time of the year it used to be in

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february so we would go it was the exact

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time when they would go to arizona so we

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would go together and then it just

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started me going on this like

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getting myself into the community that's

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really where it started and i i

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tons of people and i went i've been on a

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different little adventures i'll call

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them but uh in my way you know i made a

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decision myself one day where i was i

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want to learn more about this and i want

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to seek some more truth so i'm going to

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go start doing stuff on my own accord

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but way before i got into the debrief um

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and now it you know now here i am then

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you know talking about ufos way more

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than i ever thought i would that's

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amazing there's so many things in there

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i could pull out like cool parents ufos

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and snowboarding that's awesome but um

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did you say your dad showed you a photo

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of the ufo that he saw he did yeah so

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and i should say it's snow birding

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that's a like a oh anyway terms people i

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always do that i have to say it's slower

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i thought it was nobody

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yeah my apologies i think you can go

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snowboarding in arizona in the north but

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um but just that's okay no no worries

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jumping back to those conferences you

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went to in the early days is there

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anything or any speakers that you saw

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that really still stand out now in your

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head from when you were there back in

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those days yeah and i'll touch about my

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dad's photo too that you asked but um my

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so what happened was i went to the

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conference and uh i remember one of my

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first speakers i ever saw was uh richard

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dolan um and he was talking about

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triangular ufos and doing obviously he

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has a book on it and a whole piece on it

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and my dad looked over at me and he was

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like do you think we believe him now

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chrissy and i just laughed because i was

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like it's true dad it's like so many

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different triangular ufo sightings so

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that was my one of my first you know

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remember him and and watching that talk

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because there's so many differences we

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we would go we

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every day would go for two days or

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before a day depending on what's going

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on in the family or what speakers were

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there to be honest um but ma i'll

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remember this one um one year i took a

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camera myself and i have all this

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footage i never thought it would be

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this is so like foreshadowing you know

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uh i never thought i'd be doing my own

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interviews around ufos and science tech

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later on but i got a camera for a friend

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of mine and a really really wonderful

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like at that time like news camera and i

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brought it down and i did all these

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interviews

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just because i wanted to do it and i

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something inside of me did and i

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interviewed travis walton uh wow and

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yeah and like ben hansen is a friend of

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mine um like uh i think he's proud of

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greer is one of them as well like

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there's al there was a whole bunch of

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people on there that i interviewed and

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one day i'm gonna bring those clips up

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especially the travis walton one and put

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it posted on my socials um and a friend

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of mine has him and he's rendering them

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now to to go on social but what happened

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was i i went to conference and that's

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where i met jeremy corbell so i remember

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looking at the speaker list and i was

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like who like who is this guy i was like

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he's new never heard of him he's like

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trendy and young and i was like and he's

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bringing a different flair to the ufo

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community yeah so i looked up his staff

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and i was like oh so i emailed him and

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was like hey i would like to do an

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interview with you if you have time

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there so i actually met jeremy on site i

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went up to him and said hi i'm chrissy

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and at that moment he was doing the

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bazaar uh documentary he was recording

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because bob lazar was there

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and so i remember bob lazar walking

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around and travis walton was there at

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the convention it was like a stacked

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lineup nice and yeah and bob azar talked

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about like his experiences in area 51

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and it was just this is before

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everything went mainstream and i

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remember sitting with my dad and just

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going like wow like i'm so glad we went

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this year because you'll you won't see

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those lineups like bob didn't speak for

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like years at that point you know and

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same with travis walton like nobody was

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talking until that happened um so i met

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jeremy corbell that time and then we

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connected later on when i started

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another podcast with a friend of mine

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and so i connected with jeremy again and

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then yeah like it's just it's you know

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like things happen for a reason and it

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they all kind of just started you know

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being where it is and then yeah and now

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again i'm with the debrief so it's just

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just wild how stuff happens you know you

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find yourself a passion yeah yeah i mean

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it happened the same for me like all

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within the last nine months let's say

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and if you'd have asked me

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10 months ago that i'd be doing this

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right now and yeah all the socials i'd

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have been you're crazy man like

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let's talk about how did how did you get

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involved with the debrief then that did

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you contact them like how did that come

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about yeah so it was a again like funny

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story ryan sprague a friend of mine uh

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which everybody you know everybody knows

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on the cdf network so i emailed i met

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ryan and then i emailed him it was like

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when the the november piece launched the

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acorn footage drop

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i was like who the hell is the d brave i

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was like who are these people

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and i'm like i've never seen this

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website i you know i'm like what so i

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then i added as a pr person i like did

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my investigations in my own way of like

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my own sleuthing and looked at

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everything to find out all the all their

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contact information and then like you

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know knew some of their stuff as jordan

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as investigative journalists and then i

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added everybody to social and mj binney

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is accepted and so i was on his social

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on his facebook page and he posted uh oh

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sorry then i emailed ryan and ryan

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connected me and was like hey uh you

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know this is someone that's interested

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in the debrief so i just went on my own

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accord through ryan and then emailed uh

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messaged mj because he posted that he

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was looking for content creators and he

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was looking for writers and i said to

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him you know i'm not so much on the

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journalistic side of writing but i said

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i really would like to do some video

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content with you so he asked me to put

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together a news piece yeah and just said

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submit it let's see wanted to test me

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out see how well i did um and then

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submitted it they liked it i kept doing

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a piece every week more on science tech

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and defense it's not that i didn't want

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to stay away from ufos i love it all

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right um and so they they needed that

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piece in the company so i came in and

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started being a contributor um and then

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i gave them some pr advice and you know

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later on bob's your uncle is i'm uh

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i'm i'm here with them and they asked me

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to be a partner in the company and and

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help them on the pr side of things along

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with and contribute content and we also

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really get along like we're we're all

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friends like it's i've never ever worked

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with a group of people where every day i

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talk to them in our chats we have a chat

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group and we all like ufos is our common

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denominator like it just brings us all

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together but we are a family like we are

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you know we agree we disagree and we are

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very like i'm just happy to be part of

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it i'm just very very happy to be part

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of it and i also love being part of the

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ufo community like it's just it's such a

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i always say this is such a great

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community it's probably what's one of

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the best yeah yeah absolutely i couldn't

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agree more absolutely

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so let's move on because

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one thing i did want to mention is you

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already touched on it ever so briefly is

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your podcast again i guess that's just a

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natural evolution of you wanting to

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talk about ufos so again how did that

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come about yeah so with the rebellious

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securities with chrissy newton started

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as uh again like it was just news pieces

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with the debrief where they just wanted

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me to talk and like i am rebelliously

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curious like and multiple different

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things so it kind of makes sense

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uh and mj and i came up with the name

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together and

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and it was something that we that it is

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the debrief too and we are rebelliously

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curious right as a company in general

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it's part of like her mandate of the

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things that we do and that uh that

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journalists talk about in our company so

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it was part of that and then the news

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pieces evolved into like hey why don't

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you turn this into more of an interview

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kind of style conversation uh when it's

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just science tech ufos and defense so i

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try to do it all um i have some more you

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know larger ufo pieces my first one was

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uh with leslie kane that came out that

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was my premiere and that was yeah it was

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wonderful talking with her you know i

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have interviewed ralph blumenthal with

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um on a different show on a live stream

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that we did at the debrief but there's

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gonna be yeah there will be um some

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other pieces that of larger like you

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know i'm gonna louis lozano is gonna be

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coming on a little bit um and then i'm

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gonna be talking to kevin day um as well

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from the nimitz so there's i'm going to

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be able to stretch my legs more in the

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ufo community uh which is really really

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great along with them like doing science

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tech and defense because i've done stuff

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on vr uh recently done stuff on

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consciousness and psychedelics so i'm

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kind of all over the spectrum as my show

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but i

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you know i think if you like ufos you're

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generally going to like the other con

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content i have i completely agree i've

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i've i think i saw the consciousness one

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that was only a couple of weeks ago am i

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right yep yeah i watched a bit of that

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one

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incredible stuff i mean you your mind

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must be blown from all angles when it

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comes to defense ufos and tech and stuff

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as well it is and sometimes i'll be

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honest it's intimidating at times

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because you were talking with you know

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like even speaking without

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like it was amazing that i even had a

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chance to talk to how many times do you

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get to talk to someone from harvard you

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know like it's

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just in general like when i get to talk

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to scientists or professors that are in

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research like to me those are my rock

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stars it's not i'm not a celebrity type

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of person for me it's just and i get to

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learn at the same time and to be selfish

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i get to ask questions that i've always

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wanted answer and i do that a lot too

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i'm like you know what i got to put my

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own questions in here because i need to

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like i need to cure my own curiosity so

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yeah but i found with avila because i

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had this preconceived notion of what

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he'd be like and he wasn't at all he was

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so

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down to earth joking a little bit here

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and there and yeah i you know i was only

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on because i was on max's channel um and

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luckily enough to speak to him and yeah

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it was just an eye-opener how cool he is

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yeah such a cool guy

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yeah he is he's really lovely and

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honestly like

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just is that his sense of humor but he's

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a really amazing communicator in the

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science world because you don't get lots

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of you don't get a lot of that it's it's

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there's usually this you know sometimes

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you get one or the other but he does a

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really good job connecting and i'm he's

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a he's a good example of what i think

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science should be when it comes to

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communicating down the road is looking

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at him so absolutely and also being open

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to new ideas because you know he's been

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pushing he's at the kind of at the

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forefront of the scientific community

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coming forward

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and not not really

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falling for the stigma and stuff that's

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attached to the ufo subject you know so

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i mean i could ask you about galileo

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project what are your thoughts on that

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but i'm pretty sure i know the answer

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yeah

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i it's unbelievable like i i can't wait

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to see the stuff first of all if they

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get some amazing photos that come out

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like that's gonna be unbelievable i'm

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also curious to see if stuff does come

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out how the government's gonna react to

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that because it becomes like public

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knowledge in its own way so i'm curious

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to see how he's going to deal with those

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because it's going to happen at some

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point um

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and yeah as more and stuff gets released

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and released it's we're just living its

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time right now and i'm just happy that

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we're part of it because this would have

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never happened like 10 or 20 years ago

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right not even how long ufos have been

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talking about 40 years but

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yeah it's nice to that we have we're

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actually the generation now that

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hopefully everybody looks back at live

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streams they're like there's these crazy

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amount of people that were so invested

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in this topic

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yeah i'll happily be one of those crazy

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people for the rest of my life great

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it's great can you imagine though like

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in like 30 years all the content will be

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out because like i look at my dad my dad

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had to get books you know magazines talk

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to his friends watch tv it was always a

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one-way street he never had a two-way

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communication street we have this

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two-way communication street where you

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know our you know ufologist if we you

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know i know people hate that word but as

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ufologists and people studying and

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researching this is such an amazing way

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to do it and we get to and we get to

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connect i've met so many people around

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the world too through this topic that is

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just

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smaller and and i love that about this

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too as well as absolutely so many things

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yeah yeah i mean some of my well i can

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actually will genuinely say some of my

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best friends i've never met

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because they're all connections through

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the ufo community just and they're all

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over the world i've got all over america

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europe everywhere it's

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so i hear that a lot it's a common

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denominator i hear it all the time all

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the time yeah yeah yeah blue eyes thank

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you so much for the five dollars um

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here's a question for you chrissy have

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you ever tried ce5 i have i have tried

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c5 yeah i've uh so um you know my

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thoughts and stuff has has evolved like

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being with the debrief and obviously

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learning more about ufos and just

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growing my thoughts around

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extraterrestrials and and that have

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changed um not in a negative way they've

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just grown but i haven't tried ce5 uh

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when i

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even like before stephen greer kind of

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came out with it and before stephen

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greer was doing his stuff um there was

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like th there are these conversations

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where there were these groups that i

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think it was gary king who told me or it

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might have been victor viggiani um wow

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there were some other groups or it was a

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friend of mine that worked at nasa um

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that i ended up meeting years ago and

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darren ended up telling me about it too

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but this is way before yeah stephen

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greer started doing it and he was like

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you can go to these groups and i it must

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have been it must be gary there's a

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couple people but they would send me

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links to stuff and they were like this

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is how you do it this is how you you

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know it wasn't called ce5 then but it

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was like this is how you do it and this

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is you can go to all these global

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meditation groups so i just looked it up

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and would follow it and read about it

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and i've tried it myself many times yeah

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i do i and even just i use yoga and

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stuff and i enjoy meditation so i'm very

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much in that mind of thought as well so

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nice so have you ever had a personal

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sighting whether it be from the the

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consciousness c5 contact stuff or just

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in general yeah i've had it i've had a

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personal sighting with my ex-boyfriend

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uh we were at his house and i've had

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i've had one where uh and again like it

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might not have the time ufos but it was

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unexplained and it was a firewall in the

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sky

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and it yeah and we both

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both saw it and it they kind of like

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appeared and disappeared at the same

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time and we don't know what it is to

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this day but i've seen other images like

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it online that are still unidentified so

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so yeah i have had mine but i bet you it

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could be explained at some point but you

509
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know it's

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you know hopefully more

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yeah of course yeah that's good to hear

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i've never had a sighting i people take

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the mickey out of me they're like

514
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you know you talk about this subject

515
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every single day

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and you've never had a sighting you know

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only like ingest but yeah i'm so

518
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desperate to see something but that's

519
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that's hey but and you and you and you

520
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probably will you know people in our

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community everyone's always looking up

522
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or looking around so it's you know more

523
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than the average person i think is

524
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yeah i think so too um

525
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let's talk about crop circles yeah

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so we just had a little chat before we

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came on live um

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we were talking about england and stuff

529
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like that but yeah and i i was aware

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because i'd heard a previous interview

531
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where you briefly touched that you'd

532
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done a crop circle investigation but i

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didn't realize it was in england so can

534
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you tell us how that came about

535
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yeah so uh going to

536
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these conferences i ended up you know

537
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sorry my little delayed over here going

538
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to these conferences i met it's pat

539
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greer i believe her last name was and

540
00:19:47,669 --> 00:19:44,720
she has a whole bunch of books and she

541
00:19:50,710 --> 00:19:47,679
had a documentary on crop circles so my

542
00:19:52,150 --> 00:19:50,720
dad bought it we watched it and we're

543
00:19:53,669 --> 00:19:52,160
like oh so then i went back to the

544
00:19:55,669 --> 00:19:53,679
conference the next day and i was like

545
00:19:57,909 --> 00:19:55,679
how do i go do this and i asked her i

546
00:19:59,110 --> 00:19:57,919
was like like i want to go with you like

547
00:20:00,789 --> 00:19:59,120
i literally was just like if you need

548
00:20:02,230 --> 00:20:00,799
someone to pull some cables i'm more

549
00:20:04,470 --> 00:20:02,240
than happy to come along

550
00:20:05,909 --> 00:20:04,480
and she was like you can go like there's

551
00:20:09,350 --> 00:20:05,919
there's actually crop circle they're

552
00:20:11,430 --> 00:20:09,360
called um circle chasing uh like tours

553
00:20:13,029 --> 00:20:11,440
that you can go on and so

554
00:20:15,590 --> 00:20:13,039
she introduced me to a group of people

555
00:20:17,190 --> 00:20:15,600
online and they were like oh you know we

556
00:20:18,870 --> 00:20:17,200
go and do a whole bunch of other things

557
00:20:20,310 --> 00:20:18,880
and circle chasing's one of them and i

558
00:20:22,549 --> 00:20:20,320
was like no no i just i just want to go

559
00:20:23,750 --> 00:20:22,559
full circle chasing like i don't i don't

560
00:20:25,830 --> 00:20:23,760
want to see everything else i can tour

561
00:20:29,110 --> 00:20:25,840
guide myself i just want to stay and do

562
00:20:30,870 --> 00:20:29,120
the uofo kind of stuff and for me it was

563
00:20:32,470 --> 00:20:30,880
that was the closest thing at that point

564
00:20:35,350 --> 00:20:32,480
in my life that i could get to something

565
00:20:37,110 --> 00:20:35,360
that was tangible as ufos i was like in

566
00:20:38,789 --> 00:20:37,120
my mind it was i was like this is

567
00:20:40,950 --> 00:20:38,799
something that might be or not and i can

568
00:20:42,390 --> 00:20:40,960
actually experience it myself and i can

569
00:20:44,870 --> 00:20:42,400
choose to do that

570
00:20:46,870 --> 00:20:44,880
so i made that trip i booked it i ended

571
00:20:50,390 --> 00:20:46,880
up getting connected with gary king who

572
00:20:52,630 --> 00:20:50,400
is a researcher once in uh england and

573
00:20:54,630 --> 00:20:52,640
and he actually connected me with jaime

574
00:20:56,230 --> 00:20:54,640
who is um he's from mecco he's an

575
00:20:57,190 --> 00:20:56,240
amazing journalist as well and he's been

576
00:20:59,830 --> 00:20:57,200
doing a lot of work around the

577
00:21:02,630 --> 00:20:59,840
paranormal is that

578
00:21:05,110 --> 00:21:02,640
yes yeah so

579
00:21:06,470 --> 00:21:05,120
right so hi me then uh

580
00:21:08,710 --> 00:21:06,480
jerry was like the time that you're

581
00:21:10,710 --> 00:21:08,720
coming down is when i'm he's in town do

582
00:21:12,710 --> 00:21:10,720
you want to come and do this research

583
00:21:13,909 --> 00:21:12,720
with us and i'm like yes that's exactly

584
00:21:17,350 --> 00:21:13,919
what i want

585
00:21:19,669 --> 00:21:17,360
so i was like bonus so i ended up flying

586
00:21:21,750 --> 00:21:19,679
down i met gary gary and i became really

587
00:21:23,510 --> 00:21:21,760
good friends uh and then he took me in

588
00:21:25,270 --> 00:21:23,520
the beginning before i met jaime just to

589
00:21:27,830 --> 00:21:25,280
do multiple different crop circles days

590
00:21:29,270 --> 00:21:27,840
before and then jaime came down and we

591
00:21:30,390 --> 00:21:29,280
were there was a whole bunch of brought

592
00:21:31,669 --> 00:21:30,400
drones there was a whole bunch of

593
00:21:33,510 --> 00:21:31,679
footage so we just went to crop circle

594
00:21:35,190 --> 00:21:33,520
and crop circle and documented it you

595
00:21:36,870 --> 00:21:35,200
know we were there for hours on end

596
00:21:40,149 --> 00:21:36,880
doing stuff too so at one point i did

597
00:21:42,950 --> 00:21:40,159
take a nap in a crop circle

598
00:21:45,029 --> 00:21:42,960
to do so many things in crop circles um

599
00:21:46,390 --> 00:21:45,039
and just had like and just and asked

600
00:21:47,909 --> 00:21:46,400
questions and learned a lot from them

601
00:21:49,350 --> 00:21:47,919
and watched them that was a really big

602
00:21:52,070 --> 00:21:49,360
thing too of what they were doing and

603
00:21:54,390 --> 00:21:52,080
how they were doing it um and then yeah

604
00:21:57,190 --> 00:21:54,400
and then later on i find myself a year

605
00:21:58,950 --> 00:21:57,200
later you know at the ufo congress and

606
00:22:00,390 --> 00:21:58,960
i'm watching the screen and watching you

607
00:22:01,590 --> 00:22:00,400
know jaime's presentation and he's like

608
00:22:03,350 --> 00:22:01,600
bringing out the footage and i'm like oh

609
00:22:04,470 --> 00:22:03,360
my god i'm in the crop circle i wasn't

610
00:22:06,710 --> 00:22:04,480
expecting that

611
00:22:08,870 --> 00:22:06,720
it's like when it came full circle

612
00:22:10,870 --> 00:22:08,880
wow that's incredible yeah it was very

613
00:22:12,630 --> 00:22:10,880
cool yeah it doesn't get talked about i

614
00:22:13,830 --> 00:22:12,640
find that often these days the crop

615
00:22:15,830 --> 00:22:13,840
circle thing it seems to have been

616
00:22:17,990 --> 00:22:15,840
pushed right to the side while we focus

617
00:22:19,990 --> 00:22:18,000
on this whole military aspect and stuff

618
00:22:21,270 --> 00:22:20,000
which you know it's fair enough but i

619
00:22:23,350 --> 00:22:21,280
just think it might be slightly

620
00:22:25,270 --> 00:22:23,360
forgotten i i hope it doesn't disappear

621
00:22:26,549 --> 00:22:25,280
because i think it's very important yeah

622
00:22:28,070 --> 00:22:26,559
and again like my thoughts on crop

623
00:22:30,390 --> 00:22:28,080
circles have changed since i've been in

624
00:22:31,990 --> 00:22:30,400
them uh but you know the one thing i'll

625
00:22:33,350 --> 00:22:32,000
say about it and if they are because it

626
00:22:35,990 --> 00:22:33,360
you know there's a combination if

627
00:22:38,710 --> 00:22:36,000
they're because people have made them um

628
00:22:41,110 --> 00:22:38,720
if they're human-made or they're not but

629
00:22:42,710 --> 00:22:41,120
they're beautiful and i will say to

630
00:22:45,909 --> 00:22:42,720
people even if they're human-made the

631
00:22:48,870 --> 00:22:45,919
art around them is stunning like they're

632
00:22:51,110 --> 00:22:48,880
massive they're amazing art pieces and

633
00:22:53,510 --> 00:22:51,120
if anything i you know i tell people if

634
00:22:55,590 --> 00:22:53,520
you're in those areas you go to be able

635
00:22:56,789 --> 00:22:55,600
to see a crop cereal go like go like see

636
00:22:58,470 --> 00:22:56,799
if you can bring a drone to see a

637
00:22:59,990 --> 00:22:58,480
perspective but go inside them because

638
00:23:01,669 --> 00:23:00,000
they are really beautiful and when

639
00:23:04,070 --> 00:23:01,679
they're done well they're really really

640
00:23:06,710 --> 00:23:04,080
intricate and they're just

641
00:23:08,230 --> 00:23:06,720
and you know and to me i just

642
00:23:09,590 --> 00:23:08,240
i loved it like i just kept saying to

643
00:23:11,350 --> 00:23:09,600
gary walking around them i was like

644
00:23:12,710 --> 00:23:11,360
there's it's just so pretty like it's so

645
00:23:14,230 --> 00:23:12,720
beautiful and some of them were done in

646
00:23:15,830 --> 00:23:14,240
wheat obviously it's the most common but

647
00:23:16,470 --> 00:23:15,840
they're done in corn fields as well like

648
00:23:30,710 --> 00:23:16,480
i

649
00:23:31,990 --> 00:23:30,720
you know and they curse at them because

650
00:23:33,190 --> 00:23:32,000
they're trying to ruin things but i

651
00:23:35,270 --> 00:23:33,200
guess

652
00:23:36,950 --> 00:23:35,280
they are very beautiful if if some of

653
00:23:38,630 --> 00:23:36,960
them are man-made but then you know

654
00:23:40,789 --> 00:23:38,640
there are ones that we've heard stories

655
00:23:42,950 --> 00:23:40,799
where they've appeared in fields within

656
00:23:44,950 --> 00:23:42,960
a couple of hours maybe and that's

657
00:23:46,870 --> 00:23:44,960
you know it's pretty much impossible for

658
00:23:48,870 --> 00:23:46,880
a group of humans to do that in such

659
00:23:50,870 --> 00:23:48,880
short amount of time and i think

660
00:23:53,350 --> 00:23:50,880
that's where the mystery lies as far as

661
00:23:55,269 --> 00:23:53,360
you know as far as i'm concerned but i

662
00:23:56,390 --> 00:23:55,279
think so too i'm slightly jealous

663
00:23:59,029 --> 00:23:56,400
because i'm sure they're only a couple

664
00:24:00,789 --> 00:23:59,039
of hours away from me i should probably

665
00:24:02,950 --> 00:24:00,799
go connect you with carrie

666
00:24:05,110 --> 00:24:02,960
gary carey

667
00:24:06,789 --> 00:24:05,120
seriously he i think he's in mexico

668
00:24:09,430 --> 00:24:06,799
right now but i believe he goes back and

669
00:24:11,110 --> 00:24:09,440
forth all the time but and if any you

670
00:24:12,630 --> 00:24:11,120
know there's they they do there's other

671
00:24:14,710 --> 00:24:12,640
people that i believe that do tours as

672
00:24:16,549 --> 00:24:14,720
well but you should go i mean i stayed

673
00:24:18,070 --> 00:24:16,559
at an airbnb that i was there and this

674
00:24:19,750 --> 00:24:18,080
woman was like what are you doing every

675
00:24:20,630 --> 00:24:19,760
day and i told her and she was just like

676
00:24:23,110 --> 00:24:20,640
what

677
00:24:24,630 --> 00:24:23,120
i was like you need to go and she's like

678
00:24:26,390 --> 00:24:24,640
she's like i always hear this and you

679
00:24:27,669 --> 00:24:26,400
know she's like you're always putting on

680
00:24:30,230 --> 00:24:27,679
your wellies and like running out the

681
00:24:34,470 --> 00:24:32,549
i'm like yes i'm uh running into crop

682
00:24:36,310 --> 00:24:34,480
circles every day and coming back at

683
00:24:37,750 --> 00:24:36,320
nine o'clock at night

684
00:24:39,269 --> 00:24:37,760
i'll be i'll be hitting you up for the

685
00:24:40,950 --> 00:24:39,279
details for sure because it's like you

686
00:24:42,310 --> 00:24:40,960
said it's like it's kind of the thing

687
00:24:44,390 --> 00:24:42,320
that you can do to get near this

688
00:24:47,110 --> 00:24:44,400
phenomenon without saying i'm gonna go

689
00:24:48,390 --> 00:24:47,120
and see a ufo today or you know it's

690
00:24:49,510 --> 00:24:48,400
going to see something that could

691
00:24:51,430 --> 00:24:49,520
possibly

692
00:24:53,909 --> 00:24:51,440
hold a lot of mysteries so i'm all for

693
00:24:57,830 --> 00:24:56,149
so yeah so

694
00:24:58,950 --> 00:24:57,840
let's talk about

695
00:25:01,029 --> 00:24:58,960
you've obviously been doing this for

696
00:25:03,269 --> 00:25:01,039
quite a few years now so obviously there

697
00:25:04,870 --> 00:25:03,279
was a bit of a paradigm shift or

698
00:25:07,190 --> 00:25:04,880
it seems a lot of people believe that in

699
00:25:09,430 --> 00:25:07,200
december 2017 with the new york times

700
00:25:11,909 --> 00:25:09,440
and all the media articles with what was

701
00:25:13,110 --> 00:25:11,919
going on um with the nimitz case coming

702
00:25:14,549 --> 00:25:13,120
out lou

703
00:25:17,110 --> 00:25:14,559
and ttsa

704
00:25:19,110 --> 00:25:17,120
did that impact you did you see or feel

705
00:25:20,950 --> 00:25:19,120
anything at that time

706
00:25:21,909 --> 00:25:20,960
yeah it's actually probably impacted me

707
00:25:24,549 --> 00:25:21,919
more

708
00:25:26,870 --> 00:25:24,559
in the in the past a little bit um i

709
00:25:28,789 --> 00:25:26,880
think the j.j kim's documentary really

710
00:25:31,029 --> 00:25:28,799
actually influenced my thinking and i'm

711
00:25:32,789 --> 00:25:31,039
not sure how i'm still mulling over that

712
00:25:34,789 --> 00:25:32,799
one how i feel of it because it created

713
00:25:37,990 --> 00:25:34,799
a lot of conspiracy

714
00:25:39,590 --> 00:25:38,000
and a lot of disillusion and paranoia

715
00:25:42,070 --> 00:25:39,600
which i don't like

716
00:25:43,909 --> 00:25:42,080
but yeah like i do think there's a pair

717
00:25:46,230 --> 00:25:43,919
shift and i'm seeing that in the debrief

718
00:25:47,990 --> 00:25:46,240
as a pr person there you know speaking

719
00:25:50,149 --> 00:25:48,000
with major media and some of these

720
00:25:52,950 --> 00:25:50,159
journalists about breaking ufo news

721
00:25:55,190 --> 00:25:52,960
stories along with our guys and you know

722
00:25:57,510 --> 00:25:55,200
explaining to media and connecting my

723
00:25:59,669 --> 00:25:57,520
team you know with other media members

724
00:26:01,269 --> 00:25:59,679
and being able to talk about you know

725
00:26:02,870 --> 00:26:01,279
what's happening and breaking down the

726
00:26:04,230 --> 00:26:02,880
history because what's happening is

727
00:26:06,070 --> 00:26:04,240
you're getting journalists that don't

728
00:26:07,830 --> 00:26:06,080
really understand what's going on or

729
00:26:09,350 --> 00:26:07,840
it's like you know all this all this

730
00:26:11,110 --> 00:26:09,360
information for you know

731
00:26:12,070 --> 00:26:11,120
70 years plus of information that people

732
00:26:13,269 --> 00:26:12,080
are like

733
00:26:15,350 --> 00:26:13,279
you know we don't even know where to

734
00:26:18,390 --> 00:26:15,360
start right they think it's 2017 and

735
00:26:20,070 --> 00:26:18,400
upwards like no like you've got

736
00:26:21,990 --> 00:26:20,080
so much like we know way more than

737
00:26:25,029 --> 00:26:22,000
journalists do right and i say the

738
00:26:27,029 --> 00:26:25,039
community does and so they people

739
00:26:28,470 --> 00:26:27,039
they feel that our journalists are doing

740
00:26:31,669 --> 00:26:28,480
you know other breaking news stories and

741
00:26:33,590 --> 00:26:31,679
work with other outlets so my job as pr

742
00:26:36,230 --> 00:26:33,600
person is to help kind of

743
00:26:38,149 --> 00:26:36,240
create that narrative and in our way you

744
00:26:40,149 --> 00:26:38,159
know hopefully tell a narrative that is

745
00:26:43,110 --> 00:26:40,159
you know well we do our best that is

746
00:26:45,350 --> 00:26:43,120
true and factual as much as possible

747
00:26:46,870 --> 00:26:45,360
along with that showing if there is some

748
00:26:49,830 --> 00:26:46,880
form of evidence he'll use the word

749
00:26:51,590 --> 00:26:49,840
lightly but we're really trying to prove

750
00:26:53,830 --> 00:26:51,600
in facts and journalists like that on

751
00:26:56,470 --> 00:26:53,840
our end we're not so much of like hokey

752
00:26:58,390 --> 00:26:56,480
pokey conspiracy we're very much like

753
00:27:00,470 --> 00:26:58,400
here's the fact this is what makes sense

754
00:27:02,630 --> 00:27:00,480
you can talk about this in an academic

755
00:27:04,070 --> 00:27:02,640
and really high level and take this

756
00:27:07,269 --> 00:27:04,080
seriously rather than throwing in the

757
00:27:08,870 --> 00:27:07,279
x-files music so absolutely that's

758
00:27:11,430 --> 00:27:08,880
yeah that's been a real shift for me and

759
00:27:13,510 --> 00:27:11,440
me just watching the community but yeah

760
00:27:14,870 --> 00:27:13,520
it's been it's unbelievable and i'm just

761
00:27:15,830 --> 00:27:14,880
glad we're at this point right now

762
00:27:17,510 --> 00:27:15,840
because

763
00:27:19,750 --> 00:27:17,520
this is always good every single

764
00:27:21,590 --> 00:27:19,760
ufologist i've ever talked to since i've

765
00:27:23,590 --> 00:27:21,600
been growing up or have noted have just

766
00:27:24,710 --> 00:27:23,600
been like chrissy like you're in pr and

767
00:27:26,950 --> 00:27:24,720
you know i start getting in there like

768
00:27:28,230 --> 00:27:26,960
you like do stuff with ufos and i was

769
00:27:29,669 --> 00:27:28,240
like i'd love to but i'll get

770
00:27:31,510 --> 00:27:29,679
blacklisted

771
00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:31,520
and i'm like media won't take like i

772
00:27:36,070 --> 00:27:34,080
will be able to do my like my my day job

773
00:27:37,029 --> 00:27:36,080
which is being a pr person

774
00:27:39,750 --> 00:27:37,039
and so

775
00:27:41,350 --> 00:27:39,760
that changed that was my shift for them

776
00:27:43,990 --> 00:27:41,360
where i was like oh like i can actually

777
00:27:46,870 --> 00:27:44,000
step into the community and be helpful

778
00:27:48,710 --> 00:27:46,880
in any ways so now

779
00:27:50,630 --> 00:27:48,720
now i you know it made sense for me to

780
00:27:52,470 --> 00:27:50,640
help now rather than doing it years ago

781
00:27:54,870 --> 00:27:52,480
i was just learning i was still learning

782
00:27:56,870 --> 00:27:54,880
i was learning more back then um and

783
00:27:59,110 --> 00:27:56,880
doing it my own way so yeah i think that

784
00:28:01,110 --> 00:27:59,120
the paradigm shifts amazing and we're

785
00:28:02,389 --> 00:28:01,120
again we're in a really good space

786
00:28:05,190 --> 00:28:02,399
and that must be such a good feeling

787
00:28:07,269 --> 00:28:05,200
that you can continue doing your day job

788
00:28:10,230 --> 00:28:07,279
and do all the stuff on the side without

789
00:28:12,230 --> 00:28:10,240
any fear of crossover or

790
00:28:14,149 --> 00:28:12,240
risk risk of career or anything like

791
00:28:16,549 --> 00:28:14,159
that i mean that shows the times that

792
00:28:18,870 --> 00:28:16,559
we're in where yeah you know five years

793
00:28:21,590 --> 00:28:18,880
ago six years ago onwards that would

794
00:28:24,389 --> 00:28:21,600
have been risky business literally oh

795
00:28:25,750 --> 00:28:24,399
yeah but i've had people i won't say who

796
00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:25,760
some of these people are in toronto but

797
00:28:29,430 --> 00:28:27,840
some more notable people in the ufo

798
00:28:31,510 --> 00:28:29,440
community at that point were like hey

799
00:28:33,269 --> 00:28:31,520
can you you know do some like just get

800
00:28:35,590 --> 00:28:33,279
to the media and how do you do this

801
00:28:37,669 --> 00:28:35,600
because one other ufologist was i can

802
00:28:39,430 --> 00:28:37,679
say his name amazing ufologist is victor

803
00:28:41,430 --> 00:28:39,440
vigiani he's a good friend of mine in

804
00:28:43,590 --> 00:28:41,440
toronto and

805
00:28:45,669 --> 00:28:43,600
yeah and he's the one who

806
00:28:47,510 --> 00:28:45,679
he's been a he's been a mentor to me in

807
00:28:50,230 --> 00:28:47,520
many many ways where we would just go

808
00:28:52,549 --> 00:28:50,240
for dinner like once talk about ufos

809
00:28:54,789 --> 00:28:52,559
like he was somebody that i connected

810
00:28:56,950 --> 00:28:54,799
with and we were able to to share

811
00:28:58,630 --> 00:28:56,960
like-mindedness but he's also oh if you

812
00:29:01,350 --> 00:28:58,640
can hear me i'm cutting out

813
00:29:03,750 --> 00:29:01,360
it's okay that's great he was um we were

814
00:29:06,389 --> 00:29:03,760
his like-mindedness with me made sense

815
00:29:08,870 --> 00:29:06,399
and he also was seating news media at

816
00:29:10,630 --> 00:29:08,880
that point he was a retired principal

817
00:29:13,669 --> 00:29:10,640
you know and he was like

818
00:29:15,430 --> 00:29:13,679
deeply into ufos and he knew he had his

819
00:29:16,950 --> 00:29:15,440
own show a while ago before all of us

820
00:29:19,990 --> 00:29:16,960
kind of doing the stuff he had his own

821
00:29:22,070 --> 00:29:20,000
radio show around ufos so at that point

822
00:29:23,909 --> 00:29:22,080
he was seeding news information like he

823
00:29:25,909 --> 00:29:23,919
was seeding information for paul helyard

824
00:29:27,990 --> 00:29:25,919
he helped paul hellyard come forward or

825
00:29:31,909 --> 00:29:28,000
former minister of defense who you know

826
00:29:33,750 --> 00:29:31,919
uh passed away recently um but uh he he

827
00:29:35,430 --> 00:29:33,760
would help him you know put that news

828
00:29:37,269 --> 00:29:35,440
forward and break that through paul

829
00:29:39,830 --> 00:29:37,279
pillared and pushed it to mainstream

830
00:29:41,510 --> 00:29:39,840
media who for him he could do it because

831
00:29:43,190 --> 00:29:41,520
he had backlash

832
00:29:44,630 --> 00:29:43,200
right he was just like i'm a retired

833
00:29:46,389 --> 00:29:44,640
teacher what are you going to do to me

834
00:29:49,830 --> 00:29:46,399
you know

835
00:29:51,510 --> 00:29:49,840
like good point so but for me so we

836
00:29:53,350 --> 00:29:51,520
would talk about strategizing and

837
00:29:55,190 --> 00:29:53,360
planning and i'd say like here we can go

838
00:29:57,350 --> 00:29:55,200
you can do this or you can do that and

839
00:29:58,950 --> 00:29:57,360
he would imply it and then once things

840
00:30:00,950 --> 00:29:58,960
started to open up a little bit more

841
00:30:03,590 --> 00:30:00,960
we're free to have these conversations

842
00:30:05,269 --> 00:30:03,600
then i was able to come in and now kind

843
00:30:07,190 --> 00:30:05,279
of you know help a little bit more and

844
00:30:08,710 --> 00:30:07,200
then hence why the debriefs there too

845
00:30:10,950 --> 00:30:08,720
just all kind of

846
00:30:12,630 --> 00:30:10,960
yeah it's weird how things happen

847
00:30:14,870 --> 00:30:12,640
yeah and that's one guy i have a lot of

848
00:30:16,549 --> 00:30:14,880
respect for victor vigiani every time i

849
00:30:19,190 --> 00:30:16,559
see him talk he makes so much sense in

850
00:30:20,630 --> 00:30:19,200
that so and he's one i must say i will

851
00:30:22,789 --> 00:30:20,640
say that he's someone i really want on

852
00:30:25,510 --> 00:30:22,799
this channel so oh my gosh i might have

853
00:30:28,230 --> 00:30:25,520
to hit you up for the details

854
00:30:31,350 --> 00:30:28,240
i love victor in so many ways he's he's

855
00:30:33,510 --> 00:30:31,360
an amazing person and he's just

856
00:30:35,990 --> 00:30:33,520
i put on chats for him he's brought in

857
00:30:37,909 --> 00:30:36,000
like there's been like 30 people on a

858
00:30:39,669 --> 00:30:37,919
zoom chat from around the world in ufo

859
00:30:42,310 --> 00:30:39,679
communities i was like this is intense

860
00:30:44,310 --> 00:30:42,320
like everybody's from everywhere like he

861
00:30:45,590 --> 00:30:44,320
and this is his job now but even like he

862
00:30:47,029 --> 00:30:45,600
loves it i mean you know it's not like

863
00:30:49,029 --> 00:30:47,039
victor's getting paid for this he does

864
00:30:51,110 --> 00:30:49,039
this because he's deeply

865
00:30:52,870 --> 00:30:51,120
deeply involved in the community and

866
00:30:55,269 --> 00:30:52,880
also really wants truth like he's a

867
00:30:56,710 --> 00:30:55,279
truth seeker it's just he's lovely he's

868
00:30:58,710 --> 00:30:56,720
so low am i right in saying that he's

869
00:31:00,149 --> 00:30:58,720
part of isa am i getting that wrong yes

870
00:31:01,269 --> 00:31:00,159
part of i say yeah yeah i was going to

871
00:31:03,110 --> 00:31:01,279
say some good friends with gary

872
00:31:04,710 --> 00:31:03,120
hesseltein are you okay there you go

873
00:31:06,950 --> 00:31:04,720
yeah i'm going to see gary on saturday

874
00:31:08,470 --> 00:31:06,960
in fact to his house to have a chat

875
00:31:09,909 --> 00:31:08,480
which i'm really excited about let's

876
00:31:11,830 --> 00:31:09,919
tell gary said hi

877
00:31:13,269 --> 00:31:11,840
i will absolutely i'm

878
00:31:15,190 --> 00:31:13,279
what i'm going to do i'm going to put

879
00:31:16,630 --> 00:31:15,200
this out now for everyone watching i'm

880
00:31:18,470 --> 00:31:16,640
going to try and get gary on a live

881
00:31:19,750 --> 00:31:18,480
maybe even an instagram live on saturday

882
00:31:22,310 --> 00:31:19,760
night we're gonna sit in his house and

883
00:31:23,430 --> 00:31:22,320
just go live randomly i think that'll be

884
00:31:26,870 --> 00:31:23,440
really fun

885
00:31:28,149 --> 00:31:26,880
so uh yeah we'll see we'll see um

886
00:31:30,310 --> 00:31:28,159
let's just bring it forward a bit more

887
00:31:33,190 --> 00:31:30,320
recent and with the uap task force

888
00:31:35,590 --> 00:31:33,200
preliminary assessment did you have any

889
00:31:40,070 --> 00:31:37,669
did you expect anything from it did you

890
00:31:41,669 --> 00:31:40,080
keep your expectations low like how did

891
00:31:42,789 --> 00:31:41,679
it all feel for you in the build up and

892
00:31:44,710 --> 00:31:42,799
stuff like that

893
00:31:46,310 --> 00:31:44,720
yeah i'll even speak for the debrief on

894
00:31:47,909 --> 00:31:46,320
this too i think we all were just like

895
00:31:49,909 --> 00:31:47,919
we're not going to get much

896
00:31:51,669 --> 00:31:49,919
you know to be honest i was happy for

897
00:31:53,029 --> 00:31:51,679
what i am just happy that we got you

898
00:31:55,909 --> 00:31:53,039
know everyone's i'll try to pay

899
00:31:58,070 --> 00:31:55,919
optimistic here because yeah we we have

900
00:32:00,870 --> 00:31:58,080
something that you know finally they're

901
00:32:02,950 --> 00:32:00,880
saying ufos are real you know and that

902
00:32:05,430 --> 00:32:02,960
that we've never had that before so i

903
00:32:06,870 --> 00:32:05,440
was like okay check we've got that's

904
00:32:08,549 --> 00:32:06,880
pretty good if we're not gonna get if

905
00:32:10,630 --> 00:32:08,559
we're gonna get something we got that

906
00:32:12,470 --> 00:32:10,640
yeah and then outside of it i i wanted

907
00:32:14,470 --> 00:32:12,480
to i want to know more about the ai

908
00:32:17,750 --> 00:32:14,480
technology that they're gonna bring in

909
00:32:18,950 --> 00:32:17,760
that's where i'm really curious so i i

910
00:32:21,110 --> 00:32:18,960
you know i i didn't think they were

911
00:32:23,029 --> 00:32:21,120
gonna be like hey aliens exist like you

912
00:32:24,870 --> 00:32:23,039
know in any form i did not think that

913
00:32:26,789 --> 00:32:24,880
was gonna happen whatsoever my

914
00:32:28,870 --> 00:32:26,799
expectations were low but when i did

915
00:32:30,389 --> 00:32:28,880
read it i was and i remember i was in uh

916
00:32:32,310 --> 00:32:30,399
i was in the states when i was reading

917
00:32:35,190 --> 00:32:32,320
it and i was like reading it on my phone

918
00:32:37,990 --> 00:32:35,200
in a in a cab and or an uber and i was

919
00:32:39,190 --> 00:32:38,000
like oh my god it's like well i'm like

920
00:32:41,029 --> 00:32:39,200
and then i looked and i was like okay

921
00:32:42,230 --> 00:32:41,039
this like technology side i'm like

922
00:32:43,909 --> 00:32:42,240
that's where i would want to do more

923
00:32:46,470 --> 00:32:43,919
follow-ups i mean like what's this ai

924
00:32:49,269 --> 00:32:46,480
technology how are you using it you know

925
00:32:51,669 --> 00:32:49,279
that um who's using it i would i want to

926
00:32:53,430 --> 00:32:51,679
go down that road a little bit more and

927
00:32:55,350 --> 00:32:53,440
i like to see the they should be doing

928
00:32:57,029 --> 00:32:55,360
it yearly you know this should be coming

929
00:32:59,269 --> 00:32:57,039
out yeah and i think they were gonna

930
00:33:00,789 --> 00:32:59,279
have to because we're all gonna

931
00:33:02,549 --> 00:33:00,799
everyone's gonna be asking for it you

932
00:33:04,230 --> 00:33:02,559
can't stop now once you tease us with

933
00:33:05,669 --> 00:33:04,240
that it's just gonna

934
00:33:07,110 --> 00:33:05,679
yeah

935
00:33:08,950 --> 00:33:07,120
and i mean i

936
00:33:11,269 --> 00:33:08,960
i do feel disappointed for the general

937
00:33:13,750 --> 00:33:11,279
public as such because

938
00:33:15,110 --> 00:33:13,760
to them it just seems like a whole big

939
00:33:17,909 --> 00:33:15,120
bag of nothing

940
00:33:19,830 --> 00:33:17,919
i did go over a couple of times and pull

941
00:33:21,909 --> 00:33:19,840
little tidbits out of it where it may

942
00:33:23,990 --> 00:33:21,919
lead to places we can research in the

943
00:33:25,590 --> 00:33:24,000
future in the coming months there is

944
00:33:27,509 --> 00:33:25,600
that difference between

945
00:33:29,669 --> 00:33:27,519
an avid researcher in the general public

946
00:33:30,470 --> 00:33:29,679
so i can see sort of both angles from

947
00:33:36,630 --> 00:33:30,480
the

948
00:33:39,029 --> 00:33:36,640
yeah it's but it's a good it's a good

949
00:33:41,669 --> 00:33:39,039
start it's it's still pushing us on an

950
00:33:42,789 --> 00:33:41,679
upward direction so

951
00:33:44,789 --> 00:33:42,799
yeah um

952
00:33:46,470 --> 00:33:44,799
quick shout out to josh thank you so

953
00:33:48,149 --> 00:33:46,480
much josh for the five pounds not a

954
00:33:50,710 --> 00:33:48,159
question just wanted to say keep up the

955
00:33:53,269 --> 00:33:50,720
good work you two thank you thank you

956
00:33:55,029 --> 00:33:53,279
that's really really kind man

957
00:33:57,269 --> 00:33:55,039
you keep up the good work too josh josh

958
00:33:58,149 --> 00:33:57,279
you are one of the big up-and-comers man

959
00:33:59,909 --> 00:33:58,159
um

960
00:34:01,590 --> 00:33:59,919
and i love working with you when we get

961
00:34:04,310 --> 00:34:01,600
the chance so

962
00:34:07,830 --> 00:34:04,320
always good so

963
00:34:09,430 --> 00:34:07,840
yeah so let's move on

964
00:34:11,990 --> 00:34:09,440
yeah go on

965
00:34:13,829 --> 00:34:12,000
i'm curious in this because do you see

966
00:34:14,629 --> 00:34:13,839
the difference between

967
00:34:17,270 --> 00:34:14,639
uh

968
00:34:19,430 --> 00:34:17,280
the perspective in the uk around ufos in

969
00:34:22,550 --> 00:34:19,440
north america because i see the

970
00:34:25,430 --> 00:34:22,560
conversations online like i entered even

971
00:34:28,069 --> 00:34:25,440
interviewed nick pope for uh another i'm

972
00:34:30,550 --> 00:34:28,079
a part i'm a contributor on the uh on

973
00:34:32,629 --> 00:34:30,560
another podcast uh the new frontier

974
00:34:34,230 --> 00:34:32,639
network i don't i don't i'm not a host

975
00:34:35,829 --> 00:34:34,240
tonight but i'm a contributor and we did

976
00:34:37,589 --> 00:34:35,839
an interview with nick pope and i

977
00:34:40,869 --> 00:34:37,599
remember posting it and i did hashtag

978
00:34:42,149 --> 00:34:40,879
ufo twitter and everybody was on me and

979
00:34:43,990 --> 00:34:42,159
it was funny because i knew that i was

980
00:34:45,430 --> 00:34:44,000
gonna get some backlash but i didn't

981
00:34:48,149 --> 00:34:45,440
like you know they're like why would you

982
00:34:49,510 --> 00:34:48,159
have him on so i'm curious in the uk and

983
00:34:51,669 --> 00:34:49,520
like maybe anyone else who's listening

984
00:34:53,190 --> 00:34:51,679
in this i'd love to know more like

985
00:34:55,349 --> 00:34:53,200
what is what's the difference between

986
00:34:57,270 --> 00:34:55,359
the thought perspectives in the ufo

987
00:34:59,510 --> 00:34:57,280
community in the uk versus like north

988
00:35:01,990 --> 00:34:59,520
america

989
00:35:04,390 --> 00:35:02,000
that's a great question now because of

990
00:35:07,109 --> 00:35:04,400
my research and stuff being so primarily

991
00:35:09,270 --> 00:35:07,119
focused on the us i almost forget that i

992
00:35:11,589 --> 00:35:09,280
am you know in the uk because it's all

993
00:35:12,870 --> 00:35:11,599
just i feel like i'm a us researcher

994
00:35:15,030 --> 00:35:12,880
right now that's fair

995
00:35:18,310 --> 00:35:15,040
when i look at the uk research side of

996
00:35:20,069 --> 00:35:18,320
things it's just a case of the uk is

997
00:35:21,430 --> 00:35:20,079
always behind the us

998
00:35:23,270 --> 00:35:21,440
you know that's the way it works in

999
00:35:25,430 --> 00:35:23,280
politics in everything with the

1000
00:35:28,630 --> 00:35:25,440
relationship between the two countries

1001
00:35:29,829 --> 00:35:28,640
so it's just a case of being over here

1002
00:35:31,589 --> 00:35:29,839
it's just playing catch up with

1003
00:35:33,910 --> 00:35:31,599
everything happening in the u.s in

1004
00:35:36,230 --> 00:35:33,920
parliament in you know in the talk in

1005
00:35:37,670 --> 00:35:36,240
the house of commons recently just

1006
00:35:39,670 --> 00:35:37,680
embarrassing that they're just not

1007
00:35:41,109 --> 00:35:39,680
willing to discuss uap at all whereas at

1008
00:35:43,190 --> 00:35:41,119
least the conversations happening in the

1009
00:35:45,750 --> 00:35:43,200
us you know i work with a company called

1010
00:35:47,829 --> 00:35:45,760
uap media uk i'm part of there now where

1011
00:35:51,109 --> 00:35:47,839
we're trying to communicate with

1012
00:35:53,670 --> 00:35:51,119
the media to write more

1013
00:35:55,030 --> 00:35:53,680
less ex filesy type articles and things

1014
00:35:56,950 --> 00:35:55,040
you know there's kind of the stuff that

1015
00:35:58,630 --> 00:35:56,960
you mentioned earlier that you're doing

1016
00:36:00,230 --> 00:35:58,640
but

1017
00:36:03,190 --> 00:36:00,240
picking it up

1018
00:36:07,349 --> 00:36:05,589
oh it's just a case of i think the uk

1019
00:36:09,670 --> 00:36:07,359
will catch up in the next few months but

1020
00:36:12,310 --> 00:36:09,680
for now if i was just primarily trying

1021
00:36:14,230 --> 00:36:12,320
to focus on a uk perspective

1022
00:36:15,750 --> 00:36:14,240
yeah i wouldn't be here now doing all

1023
00:36:17,829 --> 00:36:15,760
this because it'd just be a nothing

1024
00:36:18,550 --> 00:36:17,839
burger i've spoken to nick pope as well

1025
00:36:21,109 --> 00:36:18,560
and

1026
00:36:22,470 --> 00:36:21,119
i like nick

1027
00:36:24,310 --> 00:36:22,480
i don't know how much to say actually

1028
00:36:26,870 --> 00:36:24,320
because you know i look into the history

1029
00:36:29,109 --> 00:36:26,880
and i speak to a lot of people and

1030
00:36:31,430 --> 00:36:29,119
if we go into things like di 55 and the

1031
00:36:34,790 --> 00:36:31,440
ufo desk in the ministry of defense and

1032
00:36:36,310 --> 00:36:34,800
what actually nick did and didn't do

1033
00:36:37,910 --> 00:36:36,320
i'm not going to go into it

1034
00:36:39,990 --> 00:36:37,920
so

1035
00:36:41,349 --> 00:36:40,000
yeah

1036
00:36:43,109 --> 00:36:41,359
i'm probably not the best person to ask

1037
00:36:45,589 --> 00:36:43,119
the uk question to like i said i'm i'm

1038
00:36:47,349 --> 00:36:45,599
more of an honorary u.s researcher so

1039
00:36:49,030 --> 00:36:47,359
i'll leave it there

1040
00:36:50,310 --> 00:36:49,040
people ask annoy anyone

1041
00:36:51,510 --> 00:36:50,320
right fair enough and people ask me

1042
00:36:53,510 --> 00:36:51,520
about canada because they're the same

1043
00:36:55,510 --> 00:36:53,520
way they're like what about canadians we

1044
00:36:57,750 --> 00:36:55,520
don't do anything with evos like i'm

1045
00:36:59,190 --> 00:36:57,760
very much have to play in the states

1046
00:37:01,030 --> 00:36:59,200
to do any of this because more of the

1047
00:37:02,630 --> 00:37:01,040
research and the information like we

1048
00:37:04,310 --> 00:37:02,640
have stuff we have falcon lake and we

1049
00:37:06,550 --> 00:37:04,320
have multiple we've had multiple

1050
00:37:07,910 --> 00:37:06,560
different instances but our government

1051
00:37:10,230 --> 00:37:07,920
doesn't take it seriously they're just

1052
00:37:12,310 --> 00:37:10,240
like nah next and they're going to have

1053
00:37:14,230 --> 00:37:12,320
to at some point you know and our news

1054
00:37:16,470 --> 00:37:14,240
media you know we'll release something

1055
00:37:18,470 --> 00:37:16,480
and i'm seeding stuff to news media and

1056
00:37:19,349 --> 00:37:18,480
then we'll break co-break stories of

1057
00:37:21,270 --> 00:37:19,359
people

1058
00:37:22,710 --> 00:37:21,280
you know we break a story in our media

1059
00:37:25,109 --> 00:37:22,720
my job is to help seed it so that other

1060
00:37:27,510 --> 00:37:25,119
media picks it up and references us

1061
00:37:29,190 --> 00:37:27,520
um and it's funny because in canada it's

1062
00:37:31,510 --> 00:37:29,200
like a week later they're like oh yeah

1063
00:37:34,790 --> 00:37:31,520
ufos and we're like we just talked about

1064
00:37:36,870 --> 00:37:34,800
that like it like a week ago like yeah

1065
00:37:37,990 --> 00:37:36,880
we're like a month later here at the

1066
00:37:39,910 --> 00:37:38,000
best wow

1067
00:37:43,670 --> 00:37:39,920
so

1068
00:37:45,510 --> 00:37:43,680
stories come out in the past few months

1069
00:37:47,270 --> 00:37:45,520
yeah it has quite a few of those yeah

1070
00:37:48,390 --> 00:37:47,280
the pilot stories

1071
00:37:49,750 --> 00:37:48,400
yeah okay

1072
00:37:51,349 --> 00:37:49,760
vice is doing so you know maybe

1073
00:37:52,630 --> 00:37:51,359
shouldn't be shedding another but vice

1074
00:37:55,270 --> 00:37:52,640
advice or competitor they've been doing

1075
00:37:56,870 --> 00:37:55,280
some great stuff too yeah daniel otis is

1076
00:37:58,950 --> 00:37:56,880
his articles have been phenomenal

1077
00:38:00,150 --> 00:37:58,960
absolutely no you can shout out

1078
00:38:02,310 --> 00:38:00,160
competitively

1079
00:38:03,910 --> 00:38:02,320
it's all good i do i do like fights i do

1080
00:38:05,430 --> 00:38:03,920
i do like i like a lot of our

1081
00:38:06,550 --> 00:38:05,440
competitors they love too they're doing

1082
00:38:08,310 --> 00:38:06,560
great work

1083
00:38:09,990 --> 00:38:08,320
yeah and just you mentioned the pilot

1084
00:38:11,829 --> 00:38:10,000
cases i've been speaking to quite a few

1085
00:38:14,790 --> 00:38:11,839
pilots that work for that particular

1086
00:38:16,150 --> 00:38:14,800
airline about their experiences nice i'm

1087
00:38:18,150 --> 00:38:16,160
actually i'm trying to

1088
00:38:20,310 --> 00:38:18,160
me and max we're trying to get hold of

1089
00:38:22,150 --> 00:38:20,320
the pilots at the moment it's i hope

1090
00:38:24,310 --> 00:38:22,160
they come forward because those cases

1091
00:38:25,510 --> 00:38:24,320
were phenomenal if if what they say

1092
00:38:28,069 --> 00:38:25,520
happened

1093
00:38:30,829 --> 00:38:28,079
and yeah interesting stuff definitely

1094
00:38:32,630 --> 00:38:30,839
yeah we're still slow picking it up

1095
00:38:34,069 --> 00:38:32,640
slowly but

1096
00:38:37,190 --> 00:38:34,079
yeah we'll we'll catch up we'll get

1097
00:38:40,150 --> 00:38:37,200
there in a few years over here

1098
00:38:41,990 --> 00:38:40,160
but it's just a case of we need the

1099
00:38:45,510 --> 00:38:42,000
we need to get out of the gutter press i

1100
00:38:47,510 --> 00:38:45,520
call it like you know the tabloids the

1101
00:38:49,270 --> 00:38:47,520
where it's not really

1102
00:38:51,510 --> 00:38:49,280
it's a lot of cut and paste journalism

1103
00:38:53,430 --> 00:38:51,520
they see something in the u.s copy paste

1104
00:38:55,349 --> 00:38:53,440
change a cup a couple of words paste it

1105
00:38:57,670 --> 00:38:55,359
a month later and it's a

1106
00:38:59,430 --> 00:38:57,680
a sensational ufo story you know that's

1107
00:39:01,349 --> 00:38:59,440
kind of what it is

1108
00:39:03,430 --> 00:39:01,359
yes and we need to go well we work the

1109
00:39:04,630 --> 00:39:03,440
sun messages us in different ways too

1110
00:39:07,990 --> 00:39:04,640
and it's like can we get some quotes

1111
00:39:10,069 --> 00:39:08,000
from your guys about you know

1112
00:39:12,069 --> 00:39:10,079
it is and it's you know and they are and

1113
00:39:14,150 --> 00:39:12,079
and you know we we just we don't

1114
00:39:16,230 --> 00:39:14,160
speculate right because we shouldn't and

1115
00:39:17,670 --> 00:39:16,240
as journalists they shouldn't so they're

1116
00:39:20,630 --> 00:39:17,680
really just giving what they know and

1117
00:39:22,310 --> 00:39:20,640
facts wise or history bits but it's you

1118
00:39:23,829 --> 00:39:22,320
know it is it's a good start but it's i

1119
00:39:25,270 --> 00:39:23,839
laugh because it's always the sun it's

1120
00:39:27,030 --> 00:39:25,280
you know it's always

1121
00:39:28,870 --> 00:39:27,040
the tablets and we're like come on

1122
00:39:31,910 --> 00:39:28,880
mainstream media i shouldn't say that

1123
00:39:34,470 --> 00:39:31,920
you did message us and bbc world did do

1124
00:39:36,310 --> 00:39:34,480
a piece yeah mj banayas did a piece of

1125
00:39:38,310 --> 00:39:36,320
bbc world just i think it was the day

1126
00:39:40,790 --> 00:39:38,320
before the report came out or was it the

1127
00:39:42,470 --> 00:39:40,800
day after but yeah we ended up doing

1128
00:39:44,230 --> 00:39:42,480
some stuff there so like they're slowly

1129
00:39:46,150 --> 00:39:44,240
picking it up but it was kind of when

1130
00:39:47,670 --> 00:39:46,160
everything exploded and then now we've

1131
00:39:49,349 --> 00:39:47,680
just seen this like

1132
00:39:51,349 --> 00:39:49,359
it's just the topic's still obviously

1133
00:39:52,870 --> 00:39:51,359
around for us but in news media like

1134
00:39:54,710 --> 00:39:52,880
went so big and then now it's just kind

1135
00:39:56,630 --> 00:39:54,720
of been a little bit quiet that's kind

1136
00:39:59,430 --> 00:39:56,640
of my next question was how do you feel

1137
00:40:01,510 --> 00:39:59,440
about this current calm period right now

1138
00:40:05,670 --> 00:40:01,520
because it's so

1139
00:40:07,190 --> 00:40:05,680
so calm it is calm calm before the storm

1140
00:40:09,510 --> 00:40:07,200
i hope i'm right

1141
00:40:12,309 --> 00:40:09,520
yeah i yeah it's calm i i did this

1142
00:40:13,990 --> 00:40:12,319
interview with leslie kane on uh to ask

1143
00:40:15,589 --> 00:40:14,000
there's a ufo bubble bust and this is

1144
00:40:17,270 --> 00:40:15,599
something we talk about in the debrief

1145
00:40:19,510 --> 00:40:17,280
so i brought it up with that because

1146
00:40:21,030 --> 00:40:19,520
this is exactly what we were alluding to

1147
00:40:23,270 --> 00:40:21,040
in in that interview was that there

1148
00:40:25,510 --> 00:40:23,280
might be a bust because there's so much

1149
00:40:27,030 --> 00:40:25,520
information and it's in every single

1150
00:40:28,630 --> 00:40:27,040
crane nook and cranny like you those are

1151
00:40:30,309 --> 00:40:28,640
in politics or entertainment they're in

1152
00:40:32,390 --> 00:40:30,319
like different forms of entertainment

1153
00:40:33,109 --> 00:40:32,400
film television documentaries like

1154
00:40:34,630 --> 00:40:33,119
they're

1155
00:40:36,870 --> 00:40:34,640
it's in every single thing it's even

1156
00:40:38,390 --> 00:40:36,880
beauty now like there's it's just

1157
00:40:40,550 --> 00:40:38,400
yeah there's something called the alien

1158
00:40:42,230 --> 00:40:40,560
look that's going out now like it's just

1159
00:40:44,470 --> 00:40:42,240
i know don't ask i sent it to a friend

1160
00:40:46,309 --> 00:40:44,480
of mine she sent me an email or a note

1161
00:40:48,630 --> 00:40:46,319
and was like is this a thing and i sent

1162
00:40:50,230 --> 00:40:48,640
her an article from i think it was like

1163
00:40:51,510 --> 00:40:50,240
the hollywood reporter or something i

1164
00:40:53,510 --> 00:40:51,520
was like yeah there's this thing called

1165
00:40:55,190 --> 00:40:53,520
the alien beauty look now that women are

1166
00:40:56,470 --> 00:40:55,200
trying to get and i'm like what is it so

1167
00:40:59,109 --> 00:40:56,480
i sent it to the guys i was like it's

1168
00:41:02,470 --> 00:40:59,119
even in beauty now like it's everywhere

1169
00:41:05,750 --> 00:41:02,480
so yeah wild and so i think that you

1170
00:41:07,349 --> 00:41:05,760
know at there is this this lull there

1171
00:41:09,349 --> 00:41:07,359
will be a pickup like i think we have

1172
00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:09,359
our ebbs and flows and something will

1173
00:41:12,950 --> 00:41:11,520
pick up even more we'll see what happens

1174
00:41:14,470 --> 00:41:12,960
in the next round because we have our

1175
00:41:17,030 --> 00:41:14,480
lobbyists you know if you're looking at

1176
00:41:19,750 --> 00:41:17,040
if you are that chris from lynn and

1177
00:41:21,030 --> 00:41:19,760
louisando are you know advocates for us

1178
00:41:22,390 --> 00:41:21,040
there will be some other things that

1179
00:41:25,030 --> 00:41:22,400
will happen because they're always

1180
00:41:26,390 --> 00:41:25,040
lobbying to for more information to come

1181
00:41:28,950 --> 00:41:26,400
out and to put forward same with senator

1182
00:41:30,870 --> 00:41:28,960
harry reid so yeah well i think that's

1183
00:41:31,670 --> 00:41:30,880
where we'll see then maybe the next kind

1184
00:41:36,630 --> 00:41:31,680
of

1185
00:41:38,790 --> 00:41:36,640
then again back to the jj abram like he

1186
00:41:40,069 --> 00:41:38,800
really put a little wrench but he likes

1187
00:41:42,470 --> 00:41:40,079
to do that

1188
00:41:44,069 --> 00:41:42,480
he's one of those like and this is where

1189
00:41:46,150 --> 00:41:44,079
people like if people don't follow jj

1190
00:41:48,390 --> 00:41:46,160
abrams work they would never know that

1191
00:41:50,390 --> 00:41:48,400
jj abrams is someone who likes to do red

1192
00:41:51,510 --> 00:41:50,400
herrings like he's made so many

1193
00:41:53,829 --> 00:41:51,520
different types of movies or

1194
00:41:55,270 --> 00:41:53,839
mockumentaries that like make you think

1195
00:41:56,309 --> 00:41:55,280
something else but it really is the

1196
00:41:57,670 --> 00:41:56,319
other so

1197
00:41:59,670 --> 00:41:57,680
i after i watched it i thought it was

1198
00:42:01,270 --> 00:41:59,680
really well done like it was it was it's

1199
00:42:02,790 --> 00:42:01,280
just beautiful and it's a well well-done

1200
00:42:03,990 --> 00:42:02,800
documentary and it's and i like the way

1201
00:42:05,990 --> 00:42:04,000
that it was laid out in the four

1202
00:42:09,030 --> 00:42:06,000
episodes but once we got around i think

1203
00:42:11,510 --> 00:42:09,040
it was episode three i was getting yeah

1204
00:42:12,790 --> 00:42:11,520
i was like come on i'm like this is just

1205
00:42:15,349 --> 00:42:12,800
information

1206
00:42:18,230 --> 00:42:15,359
i'm like this is gonna like it's the he

1207
00:42:19,750 --> 00:42:18,240
if he didn't know i would be shocked but

1208
00:42:22,950 --> 00:42:19,760
that's what causes the confusion because

1209
00:42:25,030 --> 00:42:22,960
we have so much of that and it caused a

1210
00:42:27,510 --> 00:42:25,040
lot of paranoia i even got paranoid when

1211
00:42:29,349 --> 00:42:27,520
i watched it i was like oh maybe the

1212
00:42:31,510 --> 00:42:29,359
things that i believe are not true like

1213
00:42:33,430 --> 00:42:31,520
i questioned myself for moments and then

1214
00:42:35,270 --> 00:42:33,440
i was like hold on chrissy like you have

1215
00:42:37,270 --> 00:42:35,280
to remember this is entertainment too

1216
00:42:39,430 --> 00:42:37,280
right so

1217
00:42:40,710 --> 00:42:39,440
yeah and he did open my mind to to

1218
00:42:42,630 --> 00:42:40,720
looking at in different ways for sure

1219
00:42:44,069 --> 00:42:42,640
and again it was really well done but

1220
00:42:46,710 --> 00:42:44,079
i'm just scared that it created a lot of

1221
00:42:47,990 --> 00:42:46,720
paranoia in our community um and sorry

1222
00:42:51,270 --> 00:42:48,000
if anybody hasn't watched this i might

1223
00:42:55,109 --> 00:42:53,349
it's that crazy that i don't think that

1224
00:42:57,109 --> 00:42:55,119
spoiled it at all because

1225
00:42:59,349 --> 00:42:57,119
yeah episode three hit and i was like

1226
00:43:01,510 --> 00:42:59,359
what what are you doing

1227
00:43:04,309 --> 00:43:01,520
but okay okay you know i'm just glad it

1228
00:43:05,910 --> 00:43:04,319
was out there in mainstream and i think

1229
00:43:07,109 --> 00:43:05,920
one good thing about this quiet period

1230
00:43:08,790 --> 00:43:07,119
as well is that people are still

1231
00:43:10,470 --> 00:43:08,800
whispering and there's still talk we've

1232
00:43:12,790 --> 00:43:10,480
had quiet periods in the past where it's

1233
00:43:15,030 --> 00:43:12,800
just died and gone silent but the talk

1234
00:43:16,710 --> 00:43:15,040
is lifting even in the quiet periods

1235
00:43:18,630 --> 00:43:16,720
because that stigma has fizzled away a

1236
00:43:21,589 --> 00:43:18,640
bit from what i've seen

1237
00:43:24,390 --> 00:43:21,599
um so yeah let's hope that you know the

1238
00:43:26,069 --> 00:43:24,400
big phone home this weekend might yeah

1239
00:43:28,230 --> 00:43:26,079
you know stir things up again that's

1240
00:43:30,150 --> 00:43:28,240
going to be exciting to see i'm very

1241
00:43:32,950 --> 00:43:30,160
happy to be a part of that um we will

1242
00:43:34,710 --> 00:43:32,960
never let this die the community won't

1243
00:43:37,510 --> 00:43:34,720
they won't the only thing i think just

1244
00:43:39,270 --> 00:43:37,520
we do have to be mindful is that because

1245
00:43:42,390 --> 00:43:39,280
they know that we're a strong community

1246
00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:42,400
and i do agree that some people can put

1247
00:43:46,790 --> 00:43:44,160
little red herrings into things because

1248
00:43:48,790 --> 00:43:46,800
we will propel our own information um

1249
00:43:50,230 --> 00:43:48,800
i'm not going to name names but there is

1250
00:43:53,270 --> 00:43:50,240
that incident that happened in the

1251
00:43:55,750 --> 00:43:53,280
lincoln memorial and uh

1252
00:43:57,270 --> 00:43:55,760
i'm not a fan of that personally but

1253
00:43:58,870 --> 00:43:57,280
there are a lot of different things that

1254
00:44:00,710 --> 00:43:58,880
will come out in stories and people will

1255
00:44:01,990 --> 00:44:00,720
see different things and make us believe

1256
00:44:03,670 --> 00:44:02,000
different stuff and we just have to be

1257
00:44:05,990 --> 00:44:03,680
able to like be mindful of what that

1258
00:44:08,550 --> 00:44:06,000
means and just try to do our best like

1259
00:44:09,990 --> 00:44:08,560
to sort through it because it's only

1260
00:44:12,069 --> 00:44:10,000
gonna happen and they know that we like

1261
00:44:14,870 --> 00:44:12,079
to push information like i've

1262
00:44:17,670 --> 00:44:14,880
i've never as a pr person in my entire

1263
00:44:19,589 --> 00:44:17,680
life have ever seen a community

1264
00:44:21,589 --> 00:44:19,599
take a piece of information and

1265
00:44:23,990 --> 00:44:21,599
disseminate it like

1266
00:44:26,550 --> 00:44:24,000
in minutes

1267
00:44:29,109 --> 00:44:26,560
we're so strong that's actually really

1268
00:44:31,510 --> 00:44:29,119
good for us but it's also scary for us

1269
00:44:33,750 --> 00:44:31,520
too because if somebody really wanted to

1270
00:44:36,710 --> 00:44:33,760
put disinformation in we would spread it

1271
00:44:38,630 --> 00:44:36,720
ourselves because we have such a strong

1272
00:44:42,150 --> 00:44:38,640
element of sharing

1273
00:44:44,150 --> 00:44:42,160
and like sharing and caring and so

1274
00:44:45,750 --> 00:44:44,160
it's it's true and i just feel that

1275
00:44:47,349 --> 00:44:45,760
that's that's their only it's not a

1276
00:44:49,349 --> 00:44:47,359
downfall it's a win for us because we're

1277
00:44:50,710 --> 00:44:49,359
so connected but it's also that if

1278
00:44:52,309 --> 00:44:50,720
somebody wanted to do it they could do

1279
00:44:55,270 --> 00:44:52,319
it very easily and that's what i might

1280
00:44:57,990 --> 00:44:55,280
like i look at that stuff very closely

1281
00:44:59,510 --> 00:44:58,000
so yeah i agree completely

1282
00:45:01,750 --> 00:44:59,520
there's there's power in what we do but

1283
00:45:04,870 --> 00:45:01,760
there's also those little seeds of

1284
00:45:06,470 --> 00:45:04,880
doubt or negativity or risk or

1285
00:45:08,470 --> 00:45:06,480
yeah possible

1286
00:45:10,550 --> 00:45:08,480
disinformation getting pushed in there

1287
00:45:11,670 --> 00:45:10,560
slightly but well the disa there is

1288
00:45:13,430 --> 00:45:11,680
probably there's different

1289
00:45:16,069 --> 00:45:13,440
disinformation going on right now like

1290
00:45:17,270 --> 00:45:16,079
there has to be like it's not that we're

1291
00:45:20,550 --> 00:45:17,280
not

1292
00:45:22,150 --> 00:45:20,560
just want to know what it is and we

1293
00:45:23,829 --> 00:45:22,160
don't usually find out from 10 to 20

1294
00:45:25,030 --> 00:45:23,839
years from now what that might be it

1295
00:45:28,710 --> 00:45:25,040
might not

1296
00:45:30,150 --> 00:45:28,720
might be smaller things like we don't

1297
00:45:31,829 --> 00:45:30,160
we don't know yet and i think we just

1298
00:45:33,510 --> 00:45:31,839
have to be open-minded that not

1299
00:45:35,349 --> 00:45:33,520
everything we're told is probably the

1300
00:45:37,109 --> 00:45:35,359
most accurate it doesn't mean that some

1301
00:45:39,589 --> 00:45:37,119
of it's not right we just have to be

1302
00:45:41,349 --> 00:45:39,599
really really you know mindful of what

1303
00:45:43,270 --> 00:45:41,359
we're what we're taking in that's it

1304
00:45:44,550 --> 00:45:43,280
yeah no absolutely and it can sometimes

1305
00:45:46,470 --> 00:45:44,560
just come straight out of left field

1306
00:45:47,910 --> 00:45:46,480
where you least expect it like you say

1307
00:45:49,670 --> 00:45:47,920
probably isn't the lose or the melons

1308
00:45:52,630 --> 00:45:49,680
but it's someone else that you probably

1309
00:45:54,470 --> 00:45:52,640
weren't even expecting but

1310
00:45:56,790 --> 00:45:54,480
we'll see but um

1311
00:45:58,150 --> 00:45:56,800
one thing and before we wrap this up i

1312
00:46:00,390 --> 00:45:58,160
really wanted to speak to you about what

1313
00:46:02,230 --> 00:46:00,400
you've got coming up in the future

1314
00:46:03,750 --> 00:46:02,240
um and i think one of the nearest things

1315
00:46:05,990 --> 00:46:03,760
coming up is the

1316
00:46:08,550 --> 00:46:06,000
international ufo congress where you

1317
00:46:09,990 --> 00:46:08,560
will be a speaker

1318
00:46:12,309 --> 00:46:10,000
how does that yeah

1319
00:46:13,750 --> 00:46:12,319
it's crazy it's so i posted yesterday on

1320
00:46:16,069 --> 00:46:13,760
my social it was yesterday a couple days

1321
00:46:17,670 --> 00:46:16,079
ago it was like so crazy the conference

1322
00:46:20,230 --> 00:46:17,680
that you go to and now you're gonna be

1323
00:46:22,870 --> 00:46:20,240
like you're you're on it like what it

1324
00:46:25,109 --> 00:46:22,880
came full circle again um

1325
00:46:26,950 --> 00:46:25,119
wow uh so and that thank you to the

1326
00:46:29,030 --> 00:46:26,960
debrief like that's the big part of it

1327
00:46:31,270 --> 00:46:29,040
what happened was um one of the owners

1328
00:46:33,349 --> 00:46:31,280
messaged the debrief and we decided to

1329
00:46:34,710 --> 00:46:33,359
do as a team thing so i just said like

1330
00:46:35,670 --> 00:46:34,720
i'll i'm more than happy to host it

1331
00:46:37,750 --> 00:46:35,680
because they're really chrissy why don't

1332
00:46:40,470 --> 00:46:37,760
you just host the conversation so we're

1333
00:46:43,109 --> 00:46:40,480
doing a year in review of ufos for this

1334
00:46:44,710 --> 00:46:43,119
past year and breaking it down and then

1335
00:46:46,390 --> 00:46:44,720
talking about like debrief articles and

1336
00:46:47,910 --> 00:46:46,400
the rest of our team how you know how

1337
00:46:48,630 --> 00:46:47,920
our team kind of started how it came to

1338
00:46:58,309 --> 00:46:48,640
be

1339
00:47:00,470 --> 00:46:59,510
what i'll do is i haven't put it in the

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link yet

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tomorrow i will post the links where

1342
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people can go and sign up if they want

1343
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to go and

1344
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check it out live you know it certainly

1345
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will be interesting because you've got

1346
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the full debrief squad they're already

1347
00:47:13,750 --> 00:47:12,240
mj binayas tim mcmillan

1348
00:47:15,750 --> 00:47:13,760
christopher playing

1349
00:47:18,470 --> 00:47:15,760
mike christopher mike

1350
00:47:20,390 --> 00:47:18,480
uh so it's everybody so all of our like

1351
00:47:22,470 --> 00:47:20,400
internal like core team that our core

1352
00:47:24,309 --> 00:47:22,480
team christina is she can't be there

1353
00:47:25,910 --> 00:47:24,319
unfortunately love her she can't be

1354
00:47:27,030 --> 00:47:25,920
there that day she would have been there

1355
00:47:28,790 --> 00:47:27,040
and then we also have a whole bunch of

1356
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other writers that write for us not just

1357
00:47:33,270 --> 00:47:31,119
ufo related but it's all of all of us

1358
00:47:35,109 --> 00:47:33,280
ufoes that

1359
00:47:37,190 --> 00:47:35,119
that are at the conference all the other

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00:47:39,750 --> 00:47:37,200
writers are are doing more science and

1361
00:47:41,589 --> 00:47:39,760
tech stuff so ah that's so exciting i

1362
00:47:42,950 --> 00:47:41,599
hope i hope we get to see some of you

1363
00:47:45,430 --> 00:47:42,960
after the fact for the people that may

1364
00:47:47,910 --> 00:47:45,440
not attend or get to watch it but i'm

1365
00:47:49,589 --> 00:47:47,920
sure we'll hear about it anyway but then

1366
00:47:50,710 --> 00:47:49,599
good stuff anything else that you've got

1367
00:47:53,349 --> 00:47:50,720
coming up in the future anything you

1368
00:47:55,990 --> 00:47:53,359
want to plug or that's it if anybody can

1369
00:47:57,349 --> 00:47:56,000
go check out my uh like the drd brief

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00:47:59,910 --> 00:47:57,359
youtube page or obviously go to the

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00:48:01,430 --> 00:47:59,920
debrief dot org and go to youtube see

1372
00:48:03,670 --> 00:48:01,440
interviews that i do along with

1373
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:03,680
christina's and i should having some

1374
00:48:07,109 --> 00:48:06,010
that comes out with luella bundo

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[Music]

1376
00:48:11,270 --> 00:48:09,680
conversations with kevin day so i'm

1377
00:48:12,790 --> 00:48:11,280
looking forward to those

1378
00:48:15,109 --> 00:48:12,800
yeah that's exciting can't wait for

1379
00:48:16,870 --> 00:48:15,119
those well listen chrissy thank you so

1380
00:48:18,630 --> 00:48:16,880
much i've had a great conversation i

1381
00:48:19,990 --> 00:48:18,640
think everybody look at the comments

1382
00:48:22,069 --> 00:48:20,000
i've seen i think everyone's enjoyed it

1383
00:48:23,750 --> 00:48:22,079
too so i really appreciate you taking

1384
00:48:26,150 --> 00:48:23,760
the time for me thank you

1385
00:48:27,670 --> 00:48:26,160
you too thanks guys

1386
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so guys thank you everyone for watching

1387
00:48:31,109 --> 00:48:29,440
and joining us live especially but

1388
00:48:32,950 --> 00:48:31,119
everyone watching this after the fact it

1389
00:48:35,190 --> 00:48:32,960
really means the world to me for the

1390
00:48:36,710 --> 00:48:35,200
continued support so thank you so much

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and i will see you probably in a couple